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The 5 Creepiest Details from GQ’s Long-Awaited Account of A Voice for Men’s Conference Last Summer

Jesus Christ.

*Takes a moment to gain composure*

You really should take a few minutes and read the whole thing, but if you only have time to check out the high points, this is what you need to see.

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A Voice for Men's Paul Elam: Still not ready for his closeup A Voice for Men’s Paul Elam: Still not ready for his closeup

A few days before alleged “men’s human rights” website A Voice for Men held its first convention last summer, the site’s founder and head boy Paul Elam put up a post imploring the alleged human rights activists planning to attend the event not to go around calling women bitches and whores and cunts, because the news media would be there, and this might make his little human rights movement look bad.

I’m paraphrasing here; Elam was a teensy bit more euphemistic, telling his followers that anyone caught “trash-talking women, men, making violent statements … anything that can be used against us” would get a very stern talking-to and, if they persisted, would be asked to leave.

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Stop what you’re doing, and GO READ THE BUZZFEED EXPOSE OF A VOICE FOR MEN’S PAUL ELAM. (SPOILER: He’s even worse than you think)

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Paul Elam quite literally in the middle of explaining how the media treats him so unfairly. Paul Elam complaining that the media treats him like the terrible person he is.

If you’re a regular, or semi-regular, or even just an occasional reader of this blog, you need to stop reading this post right now and read Buzzfeed’s astonishing expose of A Voice for Men’s Paul Elam instead.

SPOILER ALERT: He’s an even bigger hypocrite than you think he is.

Here’s the link. Right here. Click on it now. Click. Now. Click.

If you need a bit more convincing: Buzzfeed’s long and meticulous examination of alleged “men’s human rights” activist Elam, written by Adam Serwer and Katie Baker, delves deep into Paul’s often sordid personal history, including his drug use, his numerous failed marriages, and the alternately depressing and infuriating story of the daughter he abandoned, who forgave and reunited with him as an adult, and who is now estranged from him again.

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Buyer’s Remorse

You might not have heard about it, thanks to the news cycle being overwhelmed by the actions of a much smaller but more effective group of misogynists, but A Voice For Men hosted a conference for Men’s Rights Activists in St. Claire, Michigan this past weekend.

This article at MSNBC gives the most mainstream and neutral reporting on the event that you’re likely to see (spoilers: he still finds them ridiculous), while this article gives them a proper dose of mockery.

Now, while it’s no surprise that appalling things were said at this conference, this was the one that won the gold medal:

“The vast majority of female students allegedly raped on campus are actually voicing buyer’s remorse from alcohol-fueled, promiscuous behavior involving murky lines of consent on both sides,” [National Post columnist Barbara Kay] said, drawing chuckles from the audience. “It’s true. It’s their get-out-of-guilt-free card, you know like Monopoly.” The chuckles turned to guffaws.

It’s pretty horrible to believe that people – let alone a woman – would actually say shit like that in 2014.  What’s worse is that there are a lot of people out there – not all of them MRA’s, not nearly – who still believe it.

Rather than giving my own response to this, I will leave it up to someone with better research, and someone with more front-line experience than I.

 

 

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To Elaborate On PUA’s

Over the last few days, I’ve thrown a lot of acronyms at you, most with little explanation. As I’ve mentioned before, this is why a person with a lot of experience in a subject isn’t always the best teacher: they forget what it’s like to not know the basics. On many of the feminist sites I frequent, the terms MRA, PUA and MGTOW are thrown around casually, because everyone knows.
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For New Readers: An Intro to the Men’s Rights Movement and the New Misogyny

Guess Dave Futrelle is getting a lot of new traffic in recent days. Here is a useful guide that will help you understand some of my own posts going forth.

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MRAs, always complaining about something. MRAs, always complaining about something.

If you’re one of the new readers who’ve come to this blog in recent days, and you’d like to get up to speed in a hurry on the Men’s Rights movement and all the other sorts of misogynists we discuss on this blog, here are some posts that you may find interesting and useful.

The Mammoth FAQ What I’m trying to do with the blog, as well as an explanation of the name.

White Hot Rage: A piece I did for The American Prospect reviewing Michael Kimmel’s Angry White Men and offering a critical overview of the Men’s Rights Movement.

Paul Elam of A Voice for Men: In His Own Words: Some truly reprehensible quotes from the most influential MRA online

Warren Farrell’s notorious comments on date rape: Not any more defensible in context than out of it A closer look at some…

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The Santa Barbara Shooter Spews MRA Mind-Poison Before Going On His Shooting Spree

I put up a post yesterday (linking to this post on We Hunted The Mammoth, formerly Manboobz) about Elliot Rodger, the shooter who killed six college students and wounded seven before killing himself on Friday night at UC Santa Barbara.

Dave Futrelle, writer of We Hunted The Mammoth, has spent several years now chronicling what he calls “the new misogyny”: the MRA’s (Men’s Rights Activists, for those fortunate enough not to know), the PUA’s (Pick Up Artists – it’s much nastier than it sounds) and the MGTOW’s (Men Going Their Own Way, who never actually do, but rather spend all their time talking about how they should because women are so horrible).  These are people who don’t fit in well with the traditional patriarchy (many consider a traditional housewife to be a parasite who “sits on her ass all day eating bon-bons” while stealing her hardworking husband’s money, for example), but who deeply resent the independence available to women in the modern world.

As Dave points out in the linked post, Rodger’s pre-murder-spree rant is almost a boilerplate example of the anti-woman propaganda the New Misogynists put out.  This post at Daily Kos illustrates just how deep Rodger was into the subculture.

Whatever else was wrong with this kid’s head, it was shaped, focused and encouraged by what he found among the New Misogynists.  They told him that he was entitled to any woman or sex he wanted.  They told him that women were evil, selfish creatures who liked to make men – especially “beta males” – suffer out of spite, and denying him his rightful access to pussy was part of that.

And he listened.

This is not the first time this has happened.

In fact, the New Misogynists follow a pattern similar to the Anti-Choice movement: they demonize their opposition, talk about how evil they are and how much they deserve to be punished, until – surprise! – one of their less-stable members actually goes and does it.  Then, they act all shocked and horrified.  We never advocated violence (explicitly enough for charges to stick)!  You can’t blame us for this!

But then they go back to business as usual, but now it has a little bit more of an edge: better watch out.  If we don’t like you, something bad might happen to you.  But it won’t be our fault, of course.

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When I was younger, I went through periods of bitterness and resentment toward women.  There were even times when I believed that “Girls Don’t Like Boys, Girls Like Cars And Money” bullshit.

I got better.  And I am eternally grateful for two things:

1) That even at my worst, I managed to keep several female friends.  The cognitive dissonance between “Girls Don’t Like Boys Girls Like Cars And Money” and the fact that none of the actual women I knew were like that eventually helped to pull my head out of my ass.  The fact that some of them were patient enough to explain how things looked from their side helped even more.  (Which leads me to another thing I’m grateful for, I suppose: that I was never too far gone to listen.)  Sharon, Chris, Dana – thank you.

2) That the internet hadn’t developed to the extent it has today.  Hell, in some of my earlier resentful periods, it could hardly have been said to exist at all.  If it had, I might have found the MRA’s and the PUA’s (I was never going to Go My Own Way – I’m too much of a romantic, or, failing that, a horndog), and I might have been drawn in.  I might have allowed myself to be poisoned by their mental pollution, because it fit my existing prejudices.  Reinforced by a subculture full of nasty anti-woman rants, would I have kept and listened to my friends?  Or would they have just become more of the enemy?  I don’t know.

That’s why this shit can no longer go unanswered.  Men of good will have to speak up.  Dave Futrelle has been keeping a lonely vigil for some years now, and that has to change.

This blog is not going to become a political blog.  There’s still going to be fiction, and reviews, and posts on writing theory.  But this blog has also always been a platform for me to talk about shit I care about.

And this is now officially shit I care about.

 

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