The Santa Barbara Shooter Spews MRA Mind-Poison Before Going On His Shooting Spree

I put up a post yesterday (linking to this post on We Hunted The Mammoth, formerly Manboobz) about Elliot Rodger, the shooter who killed six college students and wounded seven before killing himself on Friday night at UC Santa Barbara.

Dave Futrelle, writer of We Hunted The Mammoth, has spent several years now chronicling what he calls “the new misogyny”: the MRA’s (Men’s Rights Activists, for those fortunate enough not to know), the PUA’s (Pick Up Artists – it’s much nastier than it sounds) and the MGTOW’s (Men Going Their Own Way, who never actually do, but rather spend all their time talking about how they should because women are so horrible).  These are people who don’t fit in well with the traditional patriarchy (many consider a traditional housewife to be a parasite who “sits on her ass all day eating bon-bons” while stealing her hardworking husband’s money, for example), but who deeply resent the independence available to women in the modern world.

As Dave points out in the linked post, Rodger’s pre-murder-spree rant is almost a boilerplate example of the anti-woman propaganda the New Misogynists put out.  This post at Daily Kos illustrates just how deep Rodger was into the subculture.

Whatever else was wrong with this kid’s head, it was shaped, focused and encouraged by what he found among the New Misogynists.  They told him that he was entitled to any woman or sex he wanted.  They told him that women were evil, selfish creatures who liked to make men – especially “beta males” – suffer out of spite, and denying him his rightful access to pussy was part of that.

And he listened.

This is not the first time this has happened.

In fact, the New Misogynists follow a pattern similar to the Anti-Choice movement: they demonize their opposition, talk about how evil they are and how much they deserve to be punished, until – surprise! – one of their less-stable members actually goes and does it.  Then, they act all shocked and horrified.  We never advocated violence (explicitly enough for charges to stick)!  You can’t blame us for this!

But then they go back to business as usual, but now it has a little bit more of an edge: better watch out.  If we don’t like you, something bad might happen to you.  But it won’t be our fault, of course.

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When I was younger, I went through periods of bitterness and resentment toward women.  There were even times when I believed that “Girls Don’t Like Boys, Girls Like Cars And Money” bullshit.

I got better.  And I am eternally grateful for two things:

1) That even at my worst, I managed to keep several female friends.  The cognitive dissonance between “Girls Don’t Like Boys Girls Like Cars And Money” and the fact that none of the actual women I knew were like that eventually helped to pull my head out of my ass.  The fact that some of them were patient enough to explain how things looked from their side helped even more.  (Which leads me to another thing I’m grateful for, I suppose: that I was never too far gone to listen.)  Sharon, Chris, Dana – thank you.

2) That the internet hadn’t developed to the extent it has today.  Hell, in some of my earlier resentful periods, it could hardly have been said to exist at all.  If it had, I might have found the MRA’s and the PUA’s (I was never going to Go My Own Way – I’m too much of a romantic, or, failing that, a horndog), and I might have been drawn in.  I might have allowed myself to be poisoned by their mental pollution, because it fit my existing prejudices.  Reinforced by a subculture full of nasty anti-woman rants, would I have kept and listened to my friends?  Or would they have just become more of the enemy?  I don’t know.

That’s why this shit can no longer go unanswered.  Men of good will have to speak up.  Dave Futrelle has been keeping a lonely vigil for some years now, and that has to change.

This blog is not going to become a political blog.  There’s still going to be fiction, and reviews, and posts on writing theory.  But this blog has also always been a platform for me to talk about shit I care about.

And this is now officially shit I care about.

 

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7 responses to “The Santa Barbara Shooter Spews MRA Mind-Poison Before Going On His Shooting Spree

  1. As both an MRA and born-again Christian, I wouldn’t dream of doing anything like this, nor would I encourage anyone else to either.

    Unlike you and the rest of the broad-strokers who are exploiting this tragedy for personal/political gain–several of the victims were male–I’ve actually frequented many of the message boards that cater to MGTOW/MRA/What-have-you, and their moderators tend to be hyper-vigilant when it comes to violent language, images, etc.

    Rodger didn’t do this because of some lame anti-Pick-Up-Artist website; he did this because he was a spoiled-rotten, ungrafeful, narcissistic bastard who never had to work for or earn much of anything in his life. For me and many others, one of the aspects of true Mens’ Rights is utilizing our God-given talents to make our lives better, and to make the world a better place than it was when we came into it, which is quite the opposite of what Rodger did.

    A little distinction would be nice.

    • First of all, I have to say that it’s funny to have an MRA come here whining arguing that Not All MRA’s Are Like That. Isn’t Not All Women Are Like That the most kneeslap-worthy of jokes among you lot?

      But a little tu quoque never proved anything, did it? To business:

      As both an MRA and born-again Christian, I wouldn’t dream of doing anything like this, nor would I encourage anyone else to either.

      Yes, yes, I know that you would never do this yourself. Or encourage anyone else to do it…at least not in language explicit enough for “Incitement to Violence” charges. That’s not how this works.

      What you – you personally? Probably, but I have no evidence. MRA’s, PUA’s and MGTOW’s as movements? Definitely and provably – do is talk day in, day out about how evil women are, how much they enjoy abusing poor beta virgins like Elliot Rodger, how they’re causing the downfall of Western Civilization, how much they deserve Something Bad to happen to them…until an Elliot Rodger or a George Sodini happens.
      And of course it’s not your fault. Of course. But maybe the women you dox and harass thereafter should be a little more worried. Maybe Something Bad will happen to them next…

      Unlike you and the rest of the broad-strokers who are exploiting this tragedy for personal/political gain–several of the victims were male–I’ve actually frequented many of the message boards that cater to MGTOW/MRA/What-have-you, and their moderators tend to be hyper-vigilant when it comes to violent language, images, etc.

      Point 1: The moderators on MRA/MGTOW/whatever forums are careful to weed out posts that are explicit enough to count as “Incitement to Violence” charges. Sometimes. Maybe. That’s not the same as being hyper-vigilant about violent language and images.

      Point 2: I always find it amusing when members of appalling movements accuse their political opponents of taking “political advantage” when the consequences of their appalling beliefs have become all too evident. As if we’re the bad guys for pointing out how much damage you cause.
      Yeah…no. It doesn’t work that way, and we’re not going to shut up because it’s inconvenient for you.

      Point 3: Yes. Several of the victims were male. He seemed to have some sort of personal conflict with the apartment stabbing victims. As for the shooting spree, he failed to get into the sorority house that was at the center of his Plan A, so he didn’t get to kill the evil blond sluts who were his primary targets. Instead, he had to improvise.

      Rodger didn’t do this because of some lame anti-Pick-Up-Artist website; he did this because he was a spoiled-rotten, ungrafeful, narcissistic bastard who never had to work for or earn much of anything in his life.

      The two are not mutually exclusive. See above re. “Whatever else was wrong with this kid’s head”. Reading comprehension is your friend.

      For me and many others, one of the aspects of true Mens’ Rights is utilizing our God-given talents to make our lives better, and to make the world a better place than it was when we came into it, which is quite the opposite of what Rodger did.

      Good for you. What have you done to that end? The overwhelming majority of MRA’s seem to limit their activism to talking online about how awful women are, harassing women who get too uppity, and the occasional disappointing rally.

      A little distinction would be nice.

      What? I’m supposed to make sure everyone knows Not All MRA’s Are Like That?

      How’s this:

      There are distinctions between MRA’s, PUA’s, and MGTOW’s. The latter two, in particular, are ideologically opposed, and often snipe at each other online.

      However, all three are built on the foundation that Women Are Terrible, and all three do nothing but harm in the world. Even when they bring up valid issues (example: far more men than women are incarcerated), they take no action to solve the actual problem (in this case: the racist “War on Drugs” that feeds young black men into prison on a friggin’ conveyor belt), preferring to blame women for everything and limit their “activism” to online harassment.

      Does that work for you?

  2. I remember going through that phase too where I was convinced that girls just went for assholes, and I could never catch a break. Like you, I had some great women in my life that helped me realize how utterly ridiculous of an idea that is. Thanks for the post.

    As far as Chris’s (the other Chris) comment, I’ve never spent any time on any of those boards, nor do I very much care to. I think he brings up a good point though, which is misogyny hurts everyone. I don’t think we should overshadow the incredible, and for me at least unknowable, pain that women feel as a result of it with stories of men being hurt because they’re on the whole not even in the same ballpark as the awful treatment women receive. However, it is important for men and boys to realize that when you are a misogynist you’re not just hurting women.

    • You are absolutely correct that misogyny hurts men, too, and it’s good that you came out and stated it explicitly. Too often, feminism is framed as being “Women Against Men”, with certain men helping for reasons that are either inexplicable or selfish (the classic male feminist who joins the cause to get laid). When in fact, men have caused great harm to ourselves and each other down through the centuries in the name of not being “womanish”. If nothing else, misogynists like Rodger can be careless about their aim.

      That said, I think you’re being too generous to the other Chris. I suspect that he wasn’t trying to make the point that misogyny hurts men too, but rather that Rodger’s rampage couldn’t have been driven by misogyny if he killed men, too.

      Which is bullshit. Rodger’s “manifesto” is chock full of resentment of the “inferior” men who got the women that Rodger felt he deserved.

      • I may be too nice. It’s part of my non-confrontational nature to give people the benefit of the doubt even when I know I’m misrepresenting their intentions. Like you say, the problem is in thinking of this as “Women Against Men,” which often leads to “this couldn’t have been misogyny because a man suffered.”

        One thing I wanted to say earlier, but felt didn’t quite fit, is how to me the saddest part of Roger’s pathetic rant was the statement, “All those girls that I’ve desired so much, they would’ve all rejected me and looked down upon me as an inferior man if I ever made a sexual advance towards them while they throw themselves at these obnoxious brutes.” This thing is entirely in the subjunctive “what if” case. This rampage was, at least in large part, motivated by entirely perceived possible future slights. I don’t know if there’s any combination of words that can accurately convey how utterly pathetic and useless this is. He didn’t even ask these girls out and give them the chance to reject him. It’s like a bad plot twist at the end of a horror film. “And then he woke up and realized the girls’ rejections were all in his head.” It’s like a bad Game of Thrones dating show where the host has to grab the idiot and tell him, “Maybe if you just asked her out you could have a nice relationship without any rape or murder.” Obviously there are far worse things we can and should focus on, like the actual murders, but this part of it just pisses me off so much for the sheer imbecility and uselessness of it all.

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